After the King told the Duke of York of planned budget cuts to royal funds, the disgraced royal has since refused to leave his 30-bedroom Royal Lodge in Windsor. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. (Panik) Katrinak. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. This article is little more than fiction. They blocked each exit to make sure police couldn't extradite Rorrer before they saw her. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! Court records show she is incarcerated in the Lehigh County Jail. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Join Facebook to connect with Andrew Katrinak and others you may know. Martin Domin Editor, Mirror Fighting. Hege described Rorrer as savvy and street-smart and similar to other horse lovers he knows. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? Your comment could not be farther than the truth! Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. The district attorney's office dismissed as offensiveNeely's implications on the evidence, according to the newspaper's report. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. Still, no good leads materialized. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. No charmed life. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. A correction to the comment above. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. Your comment will be posted to MailOnline as usual. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. . View Andrew Katrinak's record in Drake, CO including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. And this doesnt apply to your opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They dont need to make money??? Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. Its never been made clear. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. Davidson County Sheriff Gerald Hege said it was a case of fatal attraction. Conflicting versions. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! And Patricia did live in another state. Join thought-provoking conversations, follow other Independent readers and see their replies, Copyright 2023 The Associated Press. ", The much-faster-than-expected economic recovery thats followed the easing of the coronavirus pandemic has produced several encouraging develo. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). When she stood trial that same year, she maintained her innocence and alleged that she and Andrew Katrinak had continued to stay in touch as good friends, so she wouldn't do anything to hurt him. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. Why not question some of this evidence? They broke up in 1993. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. You can cancel at any time. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. It seems so, according to you. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. What will the next pandemic be? Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Police obtained samples of her blood and hair, and a microscopic examination revealed similarities to hair found at the crime scene. With Andrew unwilling or unable to pay the going rate, likely to be thousands of pounds per week, Charles has decided to kick the Sussexes out of the five-bedroom Frogmore Cottage and offer the keys to his younger brother, who is resisting. When the cheerleading coach broke the news to Katrina Kohel that she was the only one left on the cheer squad, Kohel was determined to compete anyway. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. Follow him on Twitter @KurtBresswein. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. Men who murder are conventional, women are sensational, posits the Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Network. They are a joke. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. Am I missing something? Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. Check Background Get Contact Info This Is Me - Edit Reputation & Background If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? Community Rules apply to all content you upload or otherwise submit to this site. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! To do this we will link your MailOnline account with your Facebook account. Pal stays true. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? How so? According to a police affidavit, Rorrer called the Katrinak house in mid-December 1994. Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? Patty is my cousin. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. I fail to see exactly why someone cant have an opinion which he/she sees as fact. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. Ballistics experts determined that a bullet removed from Joann Katrinak's body was fired from a .22-caliber pistol similar to one Rorrer owned. Lie detectors are pseudo science. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. The FBI even included a written report to that effect. The Duke of York appeared cheerful when . On Wednesday morning, sheriff's deputies escorted Rorrer to meet with Fritz. He added: No official diagnosis has been confirmed and he is in good shape and is staying strong. ``They did the technical stuff, DNA testing and all that, and we did the grunt police work,' Hege said. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. I would have liked better her being put to death! So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? The views expressed in the contents above are those of our users and do not necessarily reflect the views of MailOnline. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? Rorrer called Myers collect from the jail Tuesday afternoon. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. Just one example. I agree. Not everything is a conspiracy. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. Sorry not sorry. Although I would have liked it to be death! Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. Over the years, she has been charged with breaking and entering, intoxication, cruelty to animals and larceny in Davidson, Randolph, Gaston, Anson and Forsyth counties, said Detective Lt. Tony Roberson of the Davidson County Sheriff's Department. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. Both were deceased. Copyright 2023 PeekYou.com. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? Glenn Myers, 50, who stabled Rorrer's horses in Tyro, said she was a loving horsewoman and mother. I hope she rots in hell. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. ``I told her I would see that her horses was tended to.'. Beautifully said Cliff! !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. You should be ashamed of yourself. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. Insiders said the 63-year-old even offered to be in charge of running some of the Royal Family's much-loved estates, including Queen Elizabeth's beloved summer residence,Balmoral Castle in Aberdeenshire. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). After 30 minutes Id be calling someone! The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. Andrew currently pays a reported 250-a-week for a state-subsidised 30-room mansion complete with 98 acres of land and a swimming pool - and is not keen to leave it after 20 years. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Sadly, those who defend Rorrer do not want to be confused by the truth. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. ``She was real good with kids, good to mine at least,' Jost said. Required fields are marked *. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. According to Pennsylvania State Police, Rorrer met Andrew Katrinak, the husband and father of the victims, in 1986. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. More Local News to Love Start today for 50% off Expires 3/6/23, Kurt Bresswein | For lehighvalleylive.com, argued in Lehigh County Court that investigators mishandled DNA evidence, new information from the lab reports show the samples had no roots. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. Name. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. I do. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. ``She was mainly worried about her little girl,' Myers recalled. Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. She should have received the death penalty imo. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. A spokesperson for Mr Tate told Mail Online that the 36-year-old was taken to a Romanian clinic because he was not allowed to be monitored by his chosen medical team in Dubai. Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? Even though Joanne was supposed to take her mother-in-law for Christmas shopping, she never showed up. ``As good as she is with people and animals, I just can't believe it.'. Or did they? Exactly But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. Nailed? Search by Name Search . By. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? Prince Andrew has offered to manage some of the prestigious Royal estates as part of his negotiations to leave his Royal mansion, Royal insiders have claimed that the King said 'there is no chance' of Andrew being allowed to manage the Royal estates, The Duke of York had offered to take over the management of Balmoral Castle - his late mother's beloved summer residence. The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. Phone records dont lie.) If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. You people are fighting a losing cause! About a year ago, Rorrer told Myers about the investigation but said she had been framed. Hair we go. Find lehighvalleylive.com on Facebook. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. The real killer is Rorrer! I really never thought of it again.. He said his heart drops a couple of feet every time it rings. And Patricia wasnt all edges. All Rights Reserved. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED.
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