My 9mm compact carry S&W Shield semi-auto has a ported barrel. The best advice when employing these rounds in a true self defense situation is a follows: "Apply judiciously and generously until the threat has stopped". Then the spray and pray method was adopted. Almost reaching weak .44 mag specs Take the 155gr XTP 10mm round from Underwood. Try firing one off indoors in the dark with no ear protection. The 45 has more cons than it does pro's, specially with modern day guns. Over decades, many Ivy league graduates have gone there and it is the highest standard of law enforcement in our country. been there done that.To quote a man who has shot some people"you can kill a man without stopping him and stop a man without killing him" shoot him with a hot 9 that fails to expand due to being plugged with leather jacket and rips through with only say 20% energy transfer or 70 pounds roughly and he is gonna be on you. You do not pay I will always favor 45 Acp over 9mm. I've seen A LOT of patients shot with numerous calibers. Very few handgun rounds will stop reliably with one shot or "knock him down." Have a great weekend, Colin. Till yesterday I carried .22LR. We all know by now of Mr. Schumacher's killing of a large bear with a 9mm. I got rid of my .45 Auto carbine because I found it less effective beyond about 60 yards. Lusting after a 20 from which to shoot green tips. In the debate of 9mm vs 45ACP, I choose 357 magnum and 10mm. Its the gun I run classes with and is setup on my battle/SHTF rig. Along with comments as well! Recoil isnt an issue in a Glock and my G30 has out shot a few custom guns. These cookies ensure basic functionalities and security features of the website, anonymously. The .45 has proven itself, period. That is just simply a foolish claim to make. The results are as follows: .380 ACP (217 ft. To say that the 9mm Luger has been a success would be a severe understatement. Youre welcome. I also like the .38 special. There are videos and statistics comparing 357 and 45 acp. Not a Leo no need to shoot at distance or through material. I do not have much experience with guns in general and do not own a hand gun. Drop to a knee which will angle your bullet trajectory upwards and if the rounds exit his body they should be travelling in a safe direction. AR-9s and other like 9mm platforms. As Katherine pointed out as well, there are so many variables which can come into play like freezing, forgetting to take the safety off, tunnel vision, forgetting everything you've ever been taught, gun jam, on and on. I like the heavier gun though due to the longer site radius, repeat target acquisition and the ability to steady the weapon. He probably also thought that a .22 LR will bounce around inside the rib cage. The Trijcon Laser/ Spot/ Flash is also bore sighted low to compensate for 300 yds with a 4x32 Leupold Huntsman Hi-Rise Mounted Scope on 1/2" QD Camlock to transfer to the Bulldog with the Bipod/ Foregrip. Don't come here like an expert when you clearly base all of your knowledge on YouTube videos you've watched. But in my earlier days, my Gunny (who had that little blue ribbon with the white stars) held up a 1911 in front of we impressionable middies and said, "Gentlemen, this is the Colt .45 pistol, developed in 1911 by St. John Browning. My grandfather gave it to me back in the early 1990s before he died. Only because many pokice depts as hiring more and more females. He survived wounds to the chest, back, both arms and both legs. Practicing at a public range is not ideal. With advancements in technology since its introduction at the turn of the 20th century, the 9mm is able to deliver similar terminal performance to rounds with heavier bullets such as the 45 ACP and 40 S&W. The more we all know, the better organized and stronger the shooting and hunting community will be. Login Register. Mr. Mudgett. Also, for you suppressor enthusiasts out there, the .45 ACP is an inherently subsonic bullet. LockA locked padlock At one time the 10mm was in consideration for the FBI. 2. However, it's very reasonable to say that without American manufacturing, production, and agriculture the United Kingdom would have either fallen directly to the Germans or more likely would have been starved into submission. My kind of old LADY,but,she's probably too young for me. ". Comparisons of muzzle velocities of the 4-inch pistol and the 16.5-inch carbine revealed only a 6 percent increase in velocity with the carbine; any muzzle velocity gain depends on the powder's burning characteristics. 9mm: having more range, muzzle velocity, more accuracy(depending on the professionalism of the shooter), less recoil, a smaller cal(meaning the gun will have more capacity) and more penetration(Depending on the grain). You paint with a really broad brush, and worse yet you are wrong. Velocity did of course increase further with longer barrels, but to a much smaller degree. If I am passing through Welfareville and Methport on my way to the Promised Land, My TP 9 with 5 extra loaded 17 round magazines of 115 grain JHP will be with me. But, firing rounds takes time. Lend-lease conditions were allegedly exorbitant but the US manufacturing base was undeniably a godsend), plus some of the other margins you refer to were, frankly, too close to argue, so I wont even try. Use what you can use the best. Not worth a flip as a carry gun unless one is more Shaq sized than me but for home defense, it works very well. There is absolutely nothing more effective. Concealability is rarely an issue, so a smaller 9mm really has little advantage. Thus, you have a yearly day qual and a yearly night/low light qual and thats it. Their testing shows seven 9mm rounds that equal or exceed 500 ft lb, with 4 hitting between 511 and 540 ft lb. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. Its not the same underpowered round that the FBI abandoned in the early 1980s. The 45 has more momentum than the 9mm. Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst case escenario. I'm sure when you wrote your "9mm vs .45 ACP" article back in April 2017, your link labeled "canceled out in some states" did go to "smartgunlaws.org" where their information on gun laws was displayed. First take notice that the 9mm Luger 115 gr FMJ (Blue and Black Lines on graph) drops at a much faster rate then the .40 S&W 135 gr FMJ (Red and Teal Lines on graph . However, that damage is effectively wasted since the cartridges were designed so that they worked as ball ammo. I hand load so my loads are tailored for each gun. I try to get soft and hollow point ammo for both but it is far more expensive for 7.62 x 51. You'd first have to understand what muzzle energy is without using Google. This really is a science, but I benefited from reading a lot before I purchased, whereas my son didn't. Due to all of these factors, law enforcement orders of 9mm ammo from all major ammunition manufacturers have spiked significantly. Like I said I am a competition pistol shooter with mini trophies so I know what I am saying I guarantee you I'll stop an attacker in fraction of the time you'll do it with a 9mm aiming center mass. Knock down power is quantifiable by the Taylor Knock Down Index. It holds lots of bullets. As a retired LEO during the transition to semi-auto in the 80s, what is too politically incorrect and never mentioned is more females and smaller statured people entered the military and law enforcement. Loads and bullet design are next factored into specific use, it is the icing on the cake to select a velocity to maximize that use. All this "muzzle energy" nonsense is for the clueless ones pretending to understand physics. Back in the day, there was a revolver chambered in .600 Nitro Express. just saying. It's human nature. Critical duty allows barrier penetration. Great piece. Physics works whether you're a criminal or a descent citizen. I have played many scenarios in my head and I always conclude that the proximity of an assailant in the street would be greater than the proximity in a home. But, like you said, all of this arguing is moot if you cant hit your target! Regarding protection against tyranny, every empire in history has fallen (you know that as well as any). I am an American and although I am proud of America and her accomplishments, I surely would never discredit any of the Allies contributions to victory in either World War. Because according to BBTI, out of 10 different 9mm rounds tested, only one round, the Cor Bon 115 gr JHP +P, managed to make 500 foot lb in a 6" barrel. At a 30% hit rate during actual combat (due to adrenaline and urgency of quickness) add in a fall rate like no other (45) and it drops to 20%. A 230 grain .452" diameter projectile traveling at 835 fps has a Taylor KO of 12 while a 124 grain .355" diameter projectile traveling at 1150 fps has a Taylor KO of 7. I like both & depending on where I'm going, how long I'll be gone, what I'm wearing & how I'm feeling makes my choice for me. Would you rather be holding a 45 or a 9mm? The comfort level of a a Colt Lightweight Commander is on par with anything out there, and that design is older than any of us still alive. This debate of 9 versus 45 just comes down to personal choice with today's ammo. It is not an issue. Most data shows .45 ACP has a higher percentage of one shot stops as well as (IF multiple shots are required to stop a threat) the .45 ACP takes less shots. I totally spilt the difference and went with Beretta 96 chambered in .40 S&W. The choice for anybody should be what they are comfortable with and accurate with. Best argument I ever heard was, even if your hollowpoint fails to expand, a .45 will always punch a .45 hole. 45 bullets weigh a ton In a ammo can! Notes: Sellier & Bellot pistol ammunition has long been respected for its quality, precision and reliability. I prefer the .40 S&W. 45 will make a bigger hole, which can be a decisive factor in lethality. Americans don't care what Europeans think. My dream gun has always been a 1911 in 45 cal but after watching the video I'm on the fence again. Well, accuracy can be paramount. When I went to the former, I added up all the ammo the conducted ballistic gel tests for and averaged them out. As far as the size, my Colt m1991A ( .45 ) is no bigger then my S &W MODEL 59 (9MM ). I'll take 10 "flying ashtrays" over the puny 9mm anytime. : For me any Glock is a gun that I will be aiming at the dirt, while most Sigs & S&W revolvers will be on the money. We already have an account registered for email address Since defensive rounds aren't an option, you'll want the highest grain bullet you can get, in a soft point wadcutterwhich I don't think are even available in 9mm or .45 ACP. I've owned & fired both repeatable over the years. Muzzle velocity is the speed of the bullet as once it leaves the barrel. I want harm for nobody, and especially me and mine, too. The way Guns damage the human body is by adding energy to lead. It appears to me, however that when comparing calibers in terms of penetration, the opposite is true. You fire at the armed person/s and take down the threat. The reality is that 30% is on the high side. CONNECT WITH US Photographs and table, Territories Financial Support Center (TFSC), Tribal Financial Management Center (TFMC). The 1911 has a 3.3" barrel and is also small. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". I like that revolvers come in 9mm now (or more), and they sure seem more reliable and easy to use. ), , and 10mm (650 ft. 9mm is not close. In church it's a full size 45 at home full size 45 SHTF one for travel one for house to house. Just saying. the CarryGun's G2 bullet weighs 135 grains so that it will reach optimal velocity out . One of the GREAT things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is VARIETY!! Then rinse and repeat as needed. I live in less free country, I still can carry my pistol, but EU wants to limit my magazines (blah blah blah). That's a reasonable assumption, but it's not the only possibility. I'll keep my 357 SIG. Youll do well to pick heavier bullet weights that convey a, The Latin in the 9mms full name is short for. Those who prefer lightweight 9mm projectiles enjoy lower recoil; If you select heavier bullets benefit from deeper penetration of the target. Because thats how many studies there are. If a higher capacity magazine (15) might be needed (such as law enforcement), go with the 9mm. FMJ loads offer a rigid design for smooth penetration that doesn't deform on impact. However, theres always something to be said for having really big bullets ready to deal with really big problems. My favorite round is a sig 200 g. I tested this as a defense round and appreciated the impact force on soft targets. Now, I can see all kinds of comments coming from that one, from 'good idea' to 'that's a terrible idea'. In my case it was no weapons displayed (but you must always assume present) against a $h!t brick linebacker. According to areport released in 2014 by the FBI, the 9mm was preferred in the field because of the following: Considering all of the advantages of the 9mm, why would anyone want to use the .45 ACP? This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. And if a Riot Festival ;looms, I'll be riding in the back seat doing Green Beret carry of either my AK or AR, too. The upward recoil maybe lesser but 9mm has a twisting recoil motion. 1100 fps . A 9mm will sting ya but a 45 will break your ribs. Just my two cents. Its not about practice - its all about the situation theyre in. But that's all a moot point. You can hit him multiple times and he can keep coming at you. Hi Holmes, you're right. Another important aspect of muzzle velocity is the difference between the speed at the muzzle and the speed at the target. Have a nice last couple decades on this planet. The .45 is bigger, but not that much bigger. No need to buy specialized rounds. Thats why my husband is getting a Sig Sauer .45 ACP for Christmas. I have both and like them both. Just for amusement value (not scientific) I once fired a glock 17 with a fmj 115 gr bullet into a ten inch square creosoted fence post. Preferring a 9mm for higher capacity and easier recoil is one thing. If you have a budget that, hypothetically, only allows you to fire 100 rounds at the range per visit every week/month, then that same budget will only get you 60-70 rounds with a 45. That said, the. The same size 9mm semi auto usually holds more rounds (often 15+1) than a 45. The Ruger LC380 is her favorite. This added pressure makes felt recoil from the 40 considerably snappier and more difficult to control. Gun laws are different in different states. The marines and FBI went to the 9 so women could qualify because only 1 in 10 can with a 45. though they cant come out and say so. Based on tests of 12 hollowpoints, the 9mm pistol and the 9mm carbine produced the same average estimated wound ballistics. Bullet Weight: 124gr. Considering that ballistics and expansion have increased for all calibers I like the 45 . And by that time I lost interest in learning more. If you are special forces and you've resorted to using your pistol something has gone wrong. .45 ACP does have more advantages than stated in this article, namely that the .45 will not get deflected by bones nearly as bad as the 9mm (for example, pro bowlers, as they age, would rather stick with a 16lb ball and have less speed than drop to a 15lb ball and keep their speed high - the difference between a 15lb ball and a 16lb ball going through the pins is astonishing). Bye, troll. 9, 38, 40, 10, 45..they ALL have advantages..I think NONE have a substantial disadvantage. Momentum equals mass times velocity. Itll help keep you consistent and on-target. When it comes to the issue of 9mm vs .45, obviously bullet placement and bullet construction is key for stopping an assailant. The .45acp makes bigger holes, all else being equal. I bought it for my wife close to 40 years ago, then she decided not to shoot anymore, sad and not so safe. I carry a Sig P320 Compact in .45 ACP (I mainly carry .45 ACP) and 357 SIG. Hello. . Advancements only apply to 9mm, apparently. Just a thought. Thanks in advance, some info is well hidden for obvious reasons. I've done some research on the differences regarding handguns, but now I'm getting a little confused. I had been on the fence regarding 9mm and .45ACP for a long time, then I purchased a couple of different 9mm semi-autos for carry over a few years, with .380 for backup. Personally, I prefer carrying a small frame gun, so 9mm works best for me. Since most self defense situations are at close range and I mean really close range there is no need for lots of bullets. I say do your research and spend time on range with both weapons and carry them both! Youll see a muzzle velocity listed for nearly all ammo, sometimes even right on the box. What metric are we using to judge us as the winners of ww2? If the bullet enters the wood at 90 degrees to the direction of the grain, the density is much greater than if the bullet is travelling parallel to the grain. And because 9mm ammo is so relatively inexpensive, it permits its shooter to practice longer and more often. And the one kept loaded in the bio-lock case bedside is the Colt's Government Issue, with 2 clips of Hornady Critical Defense alongside. The reason is recoil and recovery. But that does not make them the best. In addition to this, the lower recoil, less wear, cheaper ammunition and higher capacity were all reasons that the report cited for the recent surge in orders of the ammunition from various police agencies. Now you may assume that the 9mm's must be effective because they simply passed through the body since more than half were FMJ's. i agree and i hear that every day. In a gunfight, every round which is fired, by either side, is potentially lethal. If the gun isn't comfortable to carry, chances are you won't every day carry, defeating the purpose. New powders and more advanced bullet designs used only work for the 9mm not 45 acp or 40 S&W? I am not a Glock guy by any means, but ammo is ammo and I always find tested results like these to be useful. with two shots in the heart from a 40 S&W. Just keepin it real, and saying I'd like to see the testing that backs up a claim the 9mm has "way higher" muzzle velocities than the .45 ACP. Ive been doing this for 40 years. Type your new password and hit button below to confirm it. 9mm or 45acp? No matter what caliber you pick, we got you covered in our Best 9mm Ammo and Best .45 ACP Ammo reviews. That is simply bologne. It is waaay better than me using my own time, ammo and chrono buddy to get it done. real world testing and experience trumps skewed charts charts and shooting blocks of jello which are nothing more than a STARTING POINT to give you an idea what a cartridge MAY BE capable of in a REAL WORLD situation. If you are using ap rounds in a home defense scenario and your shot goes through a wall and hits your neighbor, good luck justifying it in court. Muscle memory combined with good ole fashion "practice makes perfect" will allow you to drop a man in one shot and it won't matter what you grab in the night! In fact, if one conducts these tests, one finds that there is nothing that can be observed which supports the assertion that the faster one drives non-expanding solids the deeper they penetrate.Despite all the impressive "science" deployed to reinforce the assertion that higher speed projectiles are more capable of inflicting the deep penetration and impact-effect required to reliably anchor heavy game, one finds that these assertions simply do not withstand common sense, repeatable penetration testing. https://ammo.com/articles/handgun-wounding-factors-guide I don't want to carry anything bigger. The campground lot got sold. Would it be possible to get the raw test data? The Banshee (as well as MP5, and a few others) use a mechanical delay that siphons off a fair bit of that recoil energy . And if USA made the job in the Pacific, in Europe it was USSR, for WW2. Probably because it doesn't penetrate as far. In case you actually see this, if you are wondering about self defense in the home, you need a shotgun. To add to this argument, I read a recommendation which said that in a civilian SHTF encounter, that five rounds would be enough to cover such an encounter based on research which had been carried out on previous encounters where the number of shots fired had been recorded, so purchasing a firearm with seven rounds would be considered more than enough (IN MOST CASES). according to some of my police friends who's used a 9mm pistol to the bad guys, even they pump bullets the bad guy still able to run for safety, so they now replace their service firearm into M1911 cal.45. In a bear encounter, you spray the can contents across the area the bear will be advancing through towards you, which is right in front of you. Bear in mind that these numbers vary by manufacturer. A big, fat, 230 grain hollow point at that speed will drop the MF faster than a 9mm any day of the week.. My state has a 10 round limit. A 124 grain plus P will not start dropping velocity until somewhere over 16 inches of barrel. Thanks for bringing our gun culture forward Cody! The big question is how to navigate the freeze and put rounds on target. 1. While there are a number of compact .45 ACP models on the market, as a general rule, you can expect the 9mm to be more comfortable to carry in a holster. And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. So much quicker to re-aim, quicker to re-fire and hence more accurate. They obviously apply to other calibers as well. The 45 makes bigger hole while 357 punches deeper. I myself started out carrying a 22.lr handgun because it was what I shot since I was a kid. 3. EDUCATION 101. He noted that the wall was splattered with not just blood, but flesh and bone. I have good friends who shoot .45 and we all get along just fine. I bought a 9mm because during this last ammo shortage my ammo was hard to find but I could get the 9mm no problem. The same gap between the 9mm vs 45 still exists. This reaction is recoil. I load for accuracy which to me is far more important. They say those things from a position of authority and impressionable young guys grow up and repeat them decades later. If they are still coming you have to be able to keep shooting. But barrier's and body armor slows 45's down to BB gun effectiveness! He can tell you everything you ever wanted to know about hunting and recreational shooting. Be familiar! The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". Prvi PPU 9mm Ammunition White Box PP9124WB 124 Grain Full Metal Jacket CASE 1000 Rounds. Its lighter than the 21, has greater capacity, and I can switch to .357 Sig in less than 30 seconds with nothing more than a barrel. 1 ? 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