A similar question could ale be asked: why not include price as a gradeable category? We take the VEPR 12 Shotgun out for a spin on the range. And instead of rocking the magazines into place like on a standard AK, they simply slot straight into the receiver. And yes, as the previous reviews said, not the same as a Saiga, this has auto adjust gas and can fire various types of loads from the same magazine or from magazine to magazine. Please post a video of this if you can. and if possible side folding stock, but most of available options required a special adaptor. Toggle navigation. Some of the first advice I got was to take out the bolt carrier, clean the factory grease and relube. It runs like a damn champ now. I just bought a Vepr 12 a few weeks ago. Is the type of jam always the same (spent shell not being fully ejected, shell getting stuck on feed ramp, etc.). Let alone write a review without reading the freaking owners manual? I wanted to use the worst possible ammo I could find and sure enough, I did. I mean, its the truth about how this gun comes from the factory, but its not the truth about how great this gun can be with 5 minutes of time in my mechanically inclined hands. The bolt release tab then protrudes out indicating you have a locked colt. Herters Multidefense Shotshells The ultimate knockdown power with a 0.65 round lead ball, backed by six No. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Thx all for the feedback, glad this isnt contributing to my fte issuesback to the drawing board for me. Cycling the action by hand, it doesnt seem rough, in fact, my WASR-10 which is completely reliable has a much grittier, noiser action. This is the most obviously biased and uninformed review Ive ever read on this site. A nifty range gun no doubt, but if Im spending this much money Id like to actually be able to use it for something. For that reason, why would they go to the trouble of polishing and beautifully machining their internals when they don't need to. Maybe the new name should be THEMODERATLYBIASPOINIONSONGUNS.COM. I just dont get that feeling of reliability like I do with the others. In case you look for improvement and tuning of your rifle i warmly suggest to consider this option. The mold would have to be changed. 31 0 0. I have several ARs and a hundred or so 30 round mags. But it was an easy decision. I think you mean (4+4+4+4)/4. Glad I held off on a Saiga. They included that button on the bottom of the receiver it is in front of the trigger this allows you to lock the bolt without an inserted magazine. Just saw them in stock here http://www.birminghampistol.com/?product=vepr-12-gauge-ak-style-shotgun-semi-auto-folder-stock-welded-open, YupThanks to BHO. The areas in blue should be left in tact. Ignoring for a minute that its inside the trigger guard which is a huge safety concern to some people, the role reversal means that theres no easy way to lock the bolt open when the gun runs dry. Are you using the factory magazine or aftermarket? I don't know about VEPRsbut my S12 won't cycle if you don't have it firmly shouldered. I had a box of Federal 8 shot, and Winchester Universal 7 1/2 shot. got question how many atf going strp down one these just see ifi it complinant. We. Id hate to be the test case, but it seems likely that if anything, the test case would likely be a pretext prosecution (i.e. The Vepr-12 was conceived for the Russian military and law enforcement market, with civilian applications ranging from hunting to self-defense and competition use. The cheek pad is remarkably well designed, it can be moved out of the way, no problem for me, besides, most people will no doubt use a red dot sight, so sight picture will be unaffected. You left out a very important feature of the bolt-release button on the VEPR-12, which acts like the bolt release on an AR-15. It came with the fixed stock. You can adjust, but shooting at different distances will be an issue. Once the jams start happening is it continuous through the rest of the magazine or sporadic? Firearmsshop.org is one of the best psychedelics company that ship to all states within 24 hours an also ships 3-6 days internationally. Powered by Invision Community. The effect of these changes is that the gun is a lot easier to handle straight out of the box. I took the shotgun apart, wiped the piston, bolt, carrier, and reapplied lube. With all of this said, I realize that there can be many reasons why a gun will not run as advertised. His point about magazines, there are 5, 8, 10, 12 round mags available and various drums too. The benelli M2 tactical starts at 1,499 plus tax plus dros. The safety on the m1 rifle and several other firearms is in the trigger gaurd. No. Bet this gun would be ideal for sasquatch hunting. It must be that new STUPID CORE Math ..you know the Obammy way of doing things.. .I saw this as a news story on C hicken N oodle N ews.. Another use is deer/hog hunting. So I start Googling Vepr 12 , Vepr 12 problems and I come across www.Vepr.org message board. Next time to the range Ill polish the gun. Iron sights on the VEPR-12 work decently because they can be zeroed and give the shooter 2 aiming reference points. That is the bolt lock. I can't even say that about my Remington 1187P (perhaps the R12 will correct this..?). I have an aimpoint M2 on mine. Just because youre paranoid doesnt mean that people ARENT watching! The gun will fire, cycle, eject, and feed a new round, but the trigger reset for the second round doesnt seem to be happening. Shame on you TTAG. Saiga-12.com Corporation With its fixed open port gas system, the Vepr-12 can effectively cycle a multitude of 12-gauge loads, making it a highly versatile semi-automatic shotgun. Yeah I forgot about that, But they also make a new 3" magnum load which I would like to try out for HD. Bring the price down around $800 and well talk. Two groups of 8 rounders = 32 rounds and is way less cumbersome than the drums and reloads leave other semiautos and pumps in the dust. I have also posted the same message over at vepr.org as some folks may not know about you guys here at saiga-12.com. In doing so, we learn a lot about how the VEPR 12 feeds and ejects different types of ammo. He might learn something. Press J to jump to the feed. You cannot paste images directly. But the question remains: is the gas piston supposed to have a little side to side play in it? The trigger will reset if I pull thr charging handle back just a little bit and let the BCG go back into battery with the chambered round. Powered by Invision Community, Problems cycling low brass with my VEPR12. A stock AR15 generally works and could be used to compete in 3 gun though not optimally. Yeah. Upgrade for the factory VEPR-12 and SAIGA-12 recoil assemblies. I will be doing a conversion on it in the future so for now I will stick with the 5 round mags until it meets 922R. My favorite light load is the Remington game load which is 3 1/4 drams and 1 oz load at 1290 fps. i know the yep, just about all AKs have some contact of the rear trunnion with the carrier. October 8, 2014 in Vepr-12. I guess I'm different in that I never look for a "end-all-be-all" firearm be it hand/long. The permanently attached muzzle brake extends the barrel and enhances the shooting experience through an extreme reduction in muzzle rise and felt recoil. In particular, the shotgun has carved out a niche among IPSC competition shooters, one of the Vepr-12's target audiences. Also try not to limp shoulder the weapon. The VPO-205 series is chambered for 12 Gauge [18.5x70mmR] and 12 Gauge Magnum [18.5x76mmR] shells. I think my next plan of action will be to polish the bolt carrier rails and see if that garners any results.other than that imma just run the hell out of some heavy loads. The VEPR-12 semi-automatic magazine fed shotgun from Molot seems designed to change the game. First, the Saiga and the VEPR are completely different guns. The most I was able to get all day were 4 rounds through it without a malfunction. It kicks like a freaking mule on steroids, but certainly does what it is supposed to. Give them the right sponsorship contract and they would be using it. My stock v12 runs Winchester universal no problem. Were not supposed to call out reviewers on their biases! However, it does not happen all the time, especially if you are using light loads. Of course I am a tooth expert and not an expert on guns. Eureka!! If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. From below, I had it on the bench when I was using the dremel for the stock set, so it going to clean this one and potentially just buy a nicer one. About 5 min with a dremmel and you can add a little more value to your gun, of course you should always .make the gun 922r compliant first. Have to agree with the author. That is, the bolt locks to the rear of the receiver after the last round has been ejected. Everybody who I have personally seen that had an s12 that ftfd didnt set the regulator correctly. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Like all firearms with the Vepr designation, the Vepr-12 receiver is patterned after that of the RPK light machine gun. The problem arises when optics of certain shapes / sizes are placed on the rail in such position that a shell ejecting can hit the optic (think eotech) slowing/stopping/bouncing the eject . If there were only a single overall rating, it may not reflect whats important to some people vs. others. If so ensure you replaced everything properly. Wowlots of Russian shotgun hateToo bad as while granted the Saiga only ran High Brass out of the box (at least mine did as well as others I have seen) the Vepr runs ALL ammo (bird-slug) absent one single modification for WAY