As MinistryWatch reported in December, Jack Hyles' son, David Hyles, allegedly followed in his father's footsteps, and is now facing charges from women who claim he repeatedly raped them. She was never charged with a crime, nor was Hyles. How I emerged from such a pit of secret sin, manipulation, and hypocrisy with the slightest interest in my professed religion at all, I do not know. Then there were the practical matters that caused immediate red flags when we rolled up to Hyles-Anderson College in our overloaded U-Haul, during the oppressively hot Midwestern August, in 1983. At first, Busby says, it really seemed like he wanted to help us. But soon Schaap was requesting numerous sessions with Busby alone. until the child is crying, not tears of anger but tears of a broken will. They should leave stripes if need be. You exemplify everything in this life that I do not want for myself, my marriage or my children. I was so afraid, and the greater the secrets, the greater my fear, and the greater my determination to keep quiet. . And all this barely half an hours drive from downtown Chicago. Established in 1974, Way of Life Literature is a fundamental Baptist preaching and publishing ministry based in Bethel Baptist Church, London, Ontario, of which Wilbert Unger is the founding Pastor. If you mean what you said, you have a lot of work to do. . Ross points to a landmark 1981 Harvard study on cult formation, which suggests that all cults, destructive or not, share three elements: an Linda Murphrey, one of his daughters, recently told the Post-Tribune that she was 2 years old when her family moved from Texas to Indiana. This story has been revised to reflect the following: Correction on 12.11.12: The print version of this story, appearing in the January 2013 issue of Chicago, incorrectly stated that former First Baptist Church member Julie Silvestrone Busby received marriage counseling from Schaap in 2004 and 2009. Lowest rating: 1 . www.wayoflife.org/about/makeanoffering.html. Multiple websites tracking the First Baptist Church of Hammond have identified more than a dozen men with ties to the churchmany of whom graduated from its college, Hyles-Anderson, or its annual Pastors Schoolswho fanned out around the country, preaching at their own churches and racking up a string of arrests and civil lawsuits, including physical abuse of minors, sexual molestation, and rape. He organized media boycotts and wrote letters savaging the local papers for reprinting filth. Hundreds in his flock rose to his defense. Way of Lifes content falls into two categories: sharable and non-sharable. He would just repeatedly talk about sex and repeatedly talk about women, how they were dressed and body parts . I met him fresh out of high school. Scandal followed the younger Hyles. Hes never spoken of her in endearing terms. Our primary goal with the FBIS is to provide material to assist preachers in the edification and protection of the churches. In fact, he has sat at my table in my home. With your own insecurities and personal failures as your driving force, you have quite simply played havoc with an entire church, some of my dearest friends and worst of all, my family. My dad lived a double life, one of a righteous family man and of a dynamic speaker in the public eye, but [another] one of sordid sexual secrets privately, secrets that only my siblings and me and my mom knew. The major points that these women who knew Jack Hyles agree on are these: that Hyles had a morally inappropriate relationship with a woman who was not his wife, that he lived a double life by deception, and that he was a cult leader who controlled his people as a lord and not as a godly shepherd. You have to submit 100 percent of the time, and whenever anything goes wrong in a marriage, its because the woman didnt do enough.. The year was 1985. With these thoughts expressed, I bathe myself of you and any influence you may have had on me in the past. I remember hearing once that it is not wise to put anything in writing that one would not want the entire world to see. FIRST, TO GIVE THE BACKGROUND, LET ME QUOTE FROM THE BOOK , IN REGARD TO HYLES RELATIONSHIP WITH JUDY NISCHIK. Cindy cut off her own sister, Linda Murphrey, who left the cult and has spoken publicly in Ted talks about how her father was abusive, hated her mother, abused church members, and enjoyed his affairs while preaching condemnation to others from the pulpit. - Receive these reports by email Treated her terribly. One of Schaaps adult children, Kenneth, has mounted a letter-writing campaign to the judge. So many hurting, scared, broken women who are so afraid, who dont know that theyre loved, who want grace, but they have only heard all the things they need to do. You may also post parts of reports and/or entire reports to websites, blogs, etc as long as you give proper credit (citation). The Biblical Evangelist, a magazine devoted to historic evangelical fundamentalism, published a series of articles accusing Hyles of a years-long romantic affair with his secretary, Jennie Nischik, who happened to be the wife of a church deacon, Victor Nischik. It really is astonishing, says Jeri Massi, a researcher from Raleigh, North Carolina, who has been documenting the sexual abuse of children in Christian fundamentalism since 2001. But thats what it is. Sadly, in your very heart of hearts you must be the most miserable, lonely person alive. He hated my mom. He left nothing to his children. See also Other Works | Publicity Listings | Official Sites There was a door knob there, but it looked like part of the paneling, and there was a picture hanging there, so you really had to be studying to notice that there was a door there from his office. Fourth, our attitude toward sin reveals the condition of our hearts. A row of white-coated high-ranking churchmen seated behind Schaap watched in silence. Born in the tiny Dallas suburb of Italy, Hyles often preached about his alcoholic father, his devoted and deeply conservative Christian mother, and the curse of growing up poor. And they prayed. With God's help, I will make my life in California everything that He would have it be and, unlike you, will not fall. So does every expert and religion blogger tracking the churchand virtually every one of the dozens of victims and former church memberswith whom I spoke. Christopher Settlemoir, 29 Former pastor of Central Baptist Church, East Chicago, Indiana; current pastor of Grace Baptist Church, Miami, Florida, Convicted in 2009 of felony stalking of a 14-year-old, 6. Linda (Hyles) Murphrey's "Healing from a God Who Wasn't" 4762 reads There are 5 Comments The opportunity for a Alex Guggenheim - Mon, 04/29/2013 - 8:34pm The opportunity for a thorough and beneficial review was missed by Glover. In 2001, he died of complications from heart surgery at age 74. Her office had a door opening to Hyles' office, but there was a drape in front of it so that no one coming into her office could see it. Maybe you could start your investigation there. - www.wayoflife.org, Sharing Policy: He never had restrictions on his life. Instead, she continues, he was allowed and encouraged to perpetuate what my father began: idolatry, secrecy, adultery, and a harshly punitive culture based on an endless list of legalistic rules that served the man of God. Not Godor at least not a God that I would want to know.. William A. You could still see it from his office. Women were to wear skirts that covered the knee. I pity you for you will be experiencing the consequences of your actions for a very long time. He told lies that he couldnt possibly get away with. Then, his voice dropping to a guttural whisper, he said, Oh, oh, God. She was sickened and literally brokenhearted, she told me, when she heard about her brother-in-laws arest. After serving in the army in World War II, he married his sweetheart, Beverly Slaughter. I grieve for them.. I was embarrassed and humiliated that he said that, because David had kissed every other girl in the church, too, and they were all sitting there laughing. There were references to secret meetings with him in different places (Nischik. When authorities were called, McGuire says, Hyles told the girls parents how to avoid arrest. I told his dad about that. I would just sit there, and he would say, My son David and Paula never single dated, and I would look at David and start laughing and think, This is hilarious; I cant believe that he gets up and says this. His dad gave me six months of sex counseling before David and I got married, and I could nail him just with that and what he said to me. . A strategic and highly accomplished executive with vast expertise in brand management, business development, digital transformation, P&L management, and relationship management. I am continually amazed at the pastors who defend Jack Hyles, denying that he was a moral reprobate as well as a dictatorial cult leader. She has apparently allowed the stress of expectations to define her. How I emerged from such a pit of secret sin, manipulation, and hypocrisy with the slightest interest in my professed religion at all, I do not know. You had to really look. There were references to secret meetings with him in different places (Nischik, The Wizard of God: My Life With Jack Hyles, pp. Yes, they havent slept together in probably 25 years, they dont share the same bedroom, they dont speak. Infancy. COLUMBUS (WCMH) The Gahanna Division of Police says a woman found dead in her residence on Brookhill Drive was most likely the victim of a murder-suicide. Author: jimbaumerexperience.com. Incidentally, Paula and I have volumes of stories to swap, and it is interesting to see just how similar they are. The blows should be painful and should last . Oh! (The previous are excerpts from Dave Colemans Interview with Paula Hyles Polonco, first wife of Jack Hyles son Dave, November 1, 1989). TEDx speaker Linda Hyles Murphrey for the first time publicly reveals the secret life she was forced to live as the daughter of the former leader of an Indiana mega-church turned cult. I thank God for giving me the sense to decide not to become one of the neurotic puppets you employ. . The age at which such punishment should begin? He came and went as he pleased. You only know about him from a distance and years later. And the night we got married, he told everybody it was our first kiss! My 21-year-old radar told me he was a fraud. But thats what it is. You are a self-proclaimed giant, sensationalist, exhibitionist, and 'big-time spender' grasping for every expression of love, admiration and loyalty that you can get your filthy little hands on. About 1,000 students are currently enrolled, down from 2,700 in its heyday, according to admissions director Joe Peete, who gave a Chicago intern a tour of the premises in late October. They didnt go on a vacation without asking my dads permission, and if he had said to drink the Kool-aid, Im not kidding, they would have. They are so influenced by him that I think if he told them that he was a black man they would believe him. Never. He told us she was crazy. . Hyles certainly had enemies -- back then, more so. Former pastor of Gospel Light Baptist Church, Walker, Michigan, Convicted in 2006 of molesting a five-year-old boy, 2. I dont know if there is right now. In 1971, Hyles, without his wife, took Jennie and three other women to Hawaii and stayed in the same hotel, being the only male in the group. (Hyles did not respond to an interview request. It is a frightful fact that mans will drives his discernment. To the hundreds of people who posted comments under a YouTube video of the event, the lack of reaction is as shocking as Schaaps sermon itself. Way of Life's content falls into two categories: sharable and non-sharable. Wearing a gray blazer, a red patterned tie, and dark pants, clutching a Bible in his left hand, he stopped in front of the TV cameras and planted a long kiss on his wife, Cindy, 52. I thank God for giving me the sense to decide not to become one of the neurotic puppets you employ. Female students at Hyles-Anderson, Busby recalls, underwent sporadic pajama inspections. If the tops and bottoms didnt match, says Busby, dorm supervisors would sometimes make us strip right there and put on an approved set., The pajama-clad young women would gather in the chapel to wait for Hyles. But Schaap is not simply one of those rogue evangelists who thunders against the evils of forbidden sex while indulging in it himself. It was a fine sermon, and the people around memen in suits and ties with neatly combed hair, women in tastefully modest dresses, children sitting quietly beside themsmiled and nodded. At this point, the sermons climax, Schaap would heave up a high-powered crossbow and fire an arrow into a red X painted on a fake rock a few feet from his pulpit. She is the daughter of Jack Hyles (former pastor of the Independent Fundamental Baptist megachurch, First Baptist Hammond) and talks about her escape from that cult (her word, not mine). Former pastor of Temecula Valley Baptist Church, Temecula, California, Convicted in 1999 of molesting a 14-year-old girl. He owned our homes, our cars, our furniture. We hated her. It was going to be me and my big mouth that ruined my marriage, not Davids actions. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward" (1 Timothy 5:18). (You know well the horrifying effects doing so can cause, don't you?) I was one of those chocago kids who rode the bus to church went to the church camp and youth camp went to all the church funtions and went to the highschool not once did anything inappropriate happen! In fact, the church had by then built its own grammar school, middle school, and high school. Victoria Second, the fear of man brings a snare. And my dad did nothing but cover it up. He was a genius, recalls a former member of the Hammond church who has edited some of Jack Schaaps books. On the basis of Dr. Hyles own admissions, I rest my case about the massive cover-up of sin under his leadership. boymom August 11, 2012 at 11:11 am Right back at ya, babe. Eddie Lapina was witness to all of that. Hyles made driving out these northern liberals his first priority. But those who have left, the followers who have tried to leave, the outsiders, even the media (it was on 20/20 last year) recognize that it is clearly a cult. I am reminded of the lessons of Proverbs 29:24-27 --, Whoso is partner with a thief hateth his own soul: he heareth cursing, and bewrayeth it not. Within a couple of years, his flock had swelled to 4,000, earning Hyles a far-reaching reputation. When Nischik confronted Hyles in 1985 and demanded that he leave his wife alone, she filed for divorce at Hyles insistence. Evaluate 3 (13395 Ratings) Top rated: 3 . With these thoughts expressed, I bathe myself of you and any influence you may have had on me in the past. Nobody there ever drank Kool-Aid. It operated and still operates under the guise of an independent fundamental Baptist church. The preacher quoted 1 Thessalonians 5:22, Abstain from all appearance of evil, but Hyles brazenly replied, My people need to trust me.. Clayton Busby had pastored a small church in Maine, but felt called to Hyles-Anderson. And at the end, awash in an old-time hymn, hundreds of them, expressions blank, unhesitatingly made their way to the front of the church. Anything., While reshaping the morals of his followers, Hyles also set about empire building, Independent Baptiststyle. Ohh! He claimed that he had long heard reports that Nischik was immoral, but the following important observation must be taken into consideration in this matter:Throughout all of this, Hyles being privy to most if not all of it by his own testimony, Vic remained a member in good standing of the First Baptist Church, song leader in Dr. Hyles own adult Sunday School class, choir member, a key worker in the bus ministry (where the pickings would be delightful among love-starved, fatherless, teenage girls), a trustee of Hyles-Anderson College, a financial adviser and assistant who helped him obtain a $1,500,000 loan for the purchase of the Hyles-Anderson campus, as well as a respected deacon in the First Baptist Church! My father tried desperately to cover it up. He owned our lives, and we didnt dare cross him, because we were too afraid we would lose everything. The earliest memory of my mother's affair with Jack Hyles that I can remember dates back to the 1960's. For a pastor to develop a romantic relationship with a church member is gross, gross abuse of his position and of his solemn marital vows. Tag Archives: Linda Hyles Murphrey Walking Away. Both Terry Duff and Eddie Lapina can help you fill in the details. We were all of a sudden part of the most successful operation, the most successful movement, you have ever seen or heard about, Kaifetz says. The sermon was called The Polished Shaft, and in the many times that Jack Schaap, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Hammond, had delivered it, it was the kind of showstopper that made him a rock star to his flock. I told his dad about that. A truly just man will. It probably is one the most significant (and difficult) decisions Ive ever made since. Hes never said that he loved Mrs. Hyles. There was no question who would succeed him: Hyles had been grooming his son-in-law Jack Schaap ever since his own sons prospects had plummeted. This is a moment when we need, as people of integrity, to be honest in all of this. Brother Evans daughter was one of the ones that David had an affair with. look with favor on an unjust man. She left the church after alleging that Schaap behaved inappropriately during marriage counseling sessions in 2004 through 2009. If it were not so, the Bible would not thrice warn in the New Testament Epistles, Be not deceived.. In fact, she kept it covered with a curtain. When you do submit, be prepared to endure excruciating pain. These are sharable. By this letter I wish to express my thoughts on the role you have played in these events over the past fifteen-plus years. Hyles had deacons come forward during Pastor Schools and would order them to sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up repeatedly to demonstrate his unquestioning power over them. After the divorce, Jennie moved into a brand new $150,000 condominium at Hyles generous behest. He owned our lives, and we didnt dare cross him, because we were too afraid we would lose everything. And I was the one who was made to look like the bad guy in both instances. Men were to wear jackets and ties and close-cropped hair. The true believers of the ultrafundamentalist Independent Baptist movement were accustomed to Schaaps style. My understanding is that with all the stuff going on theyve done something with it. What was it that you used to say, 'Little leopards have spots because big leopards have spots'? He never had restrictions on his life. The author of this book, Cindy Schaap, has now divorced her husband b/c he's in prison. I mean, absolutely, purely shocking. He is the one hiding all under the rug. She talks about growing up and finally leaving the cult at age 28. Since Schaaps arrest, a Facebook page dedicated to supporting victims has popped up. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open. My understanding is that with all the stuff going on theyve done something with it. We both graduated the same year and went to college. Then, she makes claim for Linda to claim Linda was abused is a self-centered cry for attention and demeaning to those who were actually abused. His dads philosophy is if I didnt see it I dont believe it. It probably is one the most . . In light of the firsthand testimonies that have been published, this pastor is simply closing his eyes to the truth, for whatever reason. Always interesting to hear a different perspective. The church I grew up in was heavily intertwined w/ Hyles . Early in my life I learned that there was one thing that could kill a festive mood at a dinner party. I wish God would . Nischik twice tried to present the matter before the deacons of First Baptist, but he was shut down. Do I have any reason to believe that the Hyles dont love each other? Hyles made the arrangements for and settled the terms of the divorce, and Hyles even paid for it! THE TRUTH is that all the property belonged solely to the First Baptist Church of Hammond. He had affairs. Instead, the silence was golden, and it still is. He charmed people in order to get them to do what he wanted them to do., As Schaap consolidated his grip on the congregation, says former church member Linda Gensaw, he became more brazengraphic sexual sermons to the point that I didnt want to take my children., Tom Brennan, the Independent Baptist pastor in Chicago and former First Baptist member, agrees. helped salvage what was left of my self-respect. Trisha LaCroix, who attended Hyles-Anderson College, says that she was disowned by her parentsFirst Baptist members bothin part for daring to wear pants. He returned to the Chicago area, to Bolingbrook, moving in with a woman named Brenda Stevens. He really does have that kind of influence on those people.__________________Do I have any reason to believe that the Hyles dont love each other? In a show of modesty that would be almost unthinkable in later years, Hyles acknowledged that he didnt immediately set bushes to burning. (You know well the horrifying effects doing so can cause, don't you?) Oh yes, we doooo. Kerry Martin, 56 1. Lawyers are trained in using minor mistakes to draw attention away from major facts. I mean when I was dating David, the books that Hyles has written on teenagers and dating, we never did one thing that he taught. 3. He divorced his wife and married one of the 14. Never. 700 Children's Drive. Meanwhile, the churchs lawyer, David Gibbs, has called for other victims to come forward with their stories. By sifilings. I take my hat off to Linda Murprhey and applaud her moral courage. Rock music was out, of course, as was any music with a syncopated beat. When Nischik confronted Hyles in 1985 and demanded that he leave his wife alone, she filed for divorce at Hyles insistence. For a pastor to develop a romantic relationship with a church member is gross, gross abuse of his position and of his solemn marital vows. Kindly, Linda Hyles Murphrey is a liar on many counts! The belief was that women needed to be in complete and total submission to their husbands and to male leadership, says a former member who requested that she not be named. The following is excerpted from Linda Murphreys testimony at the TEDxOjaiChange event in Ojai, California, April 5, 2012. I about laughed in his face. You call him an adulterer. He could destroy you., In fact, he nearly destroyed Busbys marriage. Hyles made the arrangements for and settled the terms of the divorce, and Hyles even paid for it! Linda Murphrey: "The lies we had to keep were 'for the sake of the ministry'". That thought prompted me to write you on my leaving, for it would be the pleasure of my life to have the entire world see in print my feelings on you, your establishment and your gross perversion of the sacred role of Pastor. Nischiks letter, which he later publicized, said in part,MY HOME WAS TAMPERED WITH AND MY MARRIAGE DELIBERATELY WRECKED BY JACK HYLES. We trust that your Christian honesty will preserve the integrity of this policy. Rev. Much of our material is available for free, such as the hundreds of articles at the Way of Life web site. I asked Rick Ross, whose nonprofit institute maintains an online archive of data on cults and controversial movements. Update information for Linda Hyles-Murphrey More at IMDbPro Contact Info: View agent, publicist, legal on IMDbPro Biography Awards Photo Gallery Filmography Trailers and Videos Hide all | | Edit What was it that you used to say, 'Little leopards have spots because big leopards have spots'? In 1997, the parents of a mentally disabled 12-year-old sued First Baptist over what they alleged was a months-long pattern of rape and torture of their daughter. According to news reports, in March 1999 Stevens (by this time Hyless wife) told police that she mistakenly ran over the five-year-old, Jack David, who had rolled out the door of her car. I anxiously await the day that I can say with all honesty, "They did the right thing".Judy Nischik JohnsonTHE TESTIMONY OF JACK HYLES DAUGHTER-IN-LAWThe following are excerpts fromDave Colemans Interview with Paula Hyles PoloncoFirst wife of Jack Hyles son, DaveNovember 1, 1989Did Davids dad know that he was adulterous before we went to Texas? Every member was in complete obedience to my father. Jack Hyles set himself up as the saviour of fundamentalism and the pastor of pastors. Be the first to contribute! In his 1979 book How to Rear Infants, he wrote: The parent who spanks his child keeps him from going to hell.. So he would pay for peoples surgeries and pay for people to get their teeth fixed., By the late 1980s, the church was reaching its apotheosis. Sadly, in your very heart of hearts you must be the most miserable, lonely person alive. He moved him to another church where he was found to have had 17 affairs with different women, and he just recreated what he had seen my dad live. It is also an outrage that both Hyles and Schaap were allowed by the church leadership to have such power over a local church. Among the best and brightest of the early studentsa young man who would eventually win the blessing of Jack Hyles to marry his youngest daughter, Cindywas Jack Schaap. There should have been a cry against him from every Bible-believing Baptist pulpit in America. He had a mistress for many years, the wife of a Sunday School teacher. UPDATE: TEDS video has now been restored. Linda Hyles Murphrey's testimony is a clear indication of just how wounded those closest to Jack Hyles can be. Hyles thunderously denied the charges and denounced his accuser, Victor Nischik. Stevens didnt show. If you dont see it, dont believe it. I dont care how overbearing he was. It probably is one the most significant (and difficult) decisions I've ever made since. Their offices each had a door opening to the hallway as well as the private door connecting the two rooms. He got up in front of a staff meetingin front of the whole staffand shared all kinds of confidential stuff that never should have been shared. Personally, my worthless opinion is that Linda did not like her home life. He will abhor that which is evil (Rom. 12:9). . You are welcome to make copies of these at your own expense and share them with friends and family. Our home was so full of turmoil, hatred, stress, strife, and as a little girl, it was isolating, it was intense, and it was frightening. ), If a man did stumblehaving an affair, say, or visiting prostitutes or abusing childrenthe question wasnt how he could have but rather what the woman, or the child, did to drive him to such sin, some former church members say. We trust that your Christian honesty will preserve the integrity of this policy. Terry was a deacon in the late 1980's when the deacon board rejected my family's appeal to them to -- finally -- deal with Jack Hyles and his decades-long affair with my mother. He . After Nischik went public with the dirty business, Hyles tried to blacken the mans reputation and turn attention away from his own deeds in a self-serving letter he mailed to 60,000 pastors. The articles also alleged financial improprieties, accusing Hyles of using church money to lavish tens of thousands of dollars worth of gifts on Jennie, including a car, clothes, and home remodeling. And the night we got married, he told everybody it was our first kiss! There were so many mothers who went to him who David was having affairs with and told him. . You [sic] diatribes on your filthy forums serve Satans purpose well.). It operated and still operates under the guise of an independent fundamental Baptist church. This is a truly sad case. No person has perfect knowledge or perfect memory about events that occurred years in the past, and it is always possible to quibble about some detail of someones story, as any court trial would demonstrate. On a single Sunday in 1975, more than 30,000 people attended services that began at 9:30 a.m. and concluded at 7:30 p.m., reported the Chicago Tribune, prompting Hyles to boast that he had created the worlds largest Sunday school.. 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